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Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:47:23 pm
by Jeff Probst
This is Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread.
All other Jurors should remain in their own threads.
Evvie, you have until Sunday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 2. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 8 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread, keeping follow-ups to a necessary minimum, or congratulatory thank you/nothing further.
Re: Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:41:36 pm
by Evvie
Hi final 2. Congratulations on getting here. It has not been an easy feat but you did it! I'm happy to have been a part of the journey with you all, even if I left the game feeling completely burned.
Abe, congratulations on wiping the floor with the competitive aspect of the game. Having as many wins as you did and also revealing that you had idols on deck is not easy. I can't help but feel a little bothered by the fact that you would cause idol paranoia knowing that you were sitting on both idols. Did anyone know about these idols or were you keeping these as part of your arsenal to reveal at the end of this game? This also leads me to the funale - did you feel entitled to winning the final challenge or having ownership of final immunity? I cannot lie - when you, Xander and myself spoke during the last round you made it seem like your moves throughout the game were more deserving of making it to F2 over Xander and myself and I find that insane, since you were talking about quitting at the final 3 a few rounds prior and letting Xander and myself go to the end because "you were so committed to the 3". Even though i told you that I would never let that happen. Is that true or was that all strategy? I think I'm just having a hard time separating who you, as a person, are compared to who you are as a player. Like, what was real and what wasn't?
I also want to know how you showed empathy throughout this game. What was real emotion and what was you responding to the energy of the person you were speaking with out of protection for your style of gameplay? I have a hard time sitting back now feeling like you used your bouts with paranoia and anxiety as strategy to manipulate my own anxiety for your benefit which I feel is kinda smarmy. I'm not sure if you understand the impact of your actions throughout the game and the taste that this left in my mouth after being burned by you. If you did not end up winning this time, would you take it personally?
Xander, I know this has to be crazy for you to be dealing with as your first game. Welcome to the ORG world, darling. I wish HH would have been able to take it to the top but it is what it is. I want to know where you feel like you had agency in the game, outside of any plans that were created with someone else. What were your own plans and how did you see those plans come to fruition to lead you to the seat you sit in now? What were moves that you wanted to make that failed, but you managed to pivot and make them work for you?
If you were to win this season, what would the win mean to you and what do you feel like you learned from this experience? If Abe wasn't sitting here, is there someone that you would want to sit next to that you think you would have a better shot sitting next to? It's clear that Abe brought you because he thinks he can beat you. Do you find that to be true, from your perspective? Why or why not and whose votes do you feel like you're actually fighting to get right now?
It took me ages to write this and come up with these questions. Please take your time in responding. Thank you for your time and energy and paying attention to these. Good luck, once again.
Re: Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:52:55 pm
by Abraham
Evvie, I knew your questions would be tough but I'll be just as honest back.
I'm not sure where you're getting me causing idol paranoia. I never once caused some sort of panic over someone having an idol. However, you wanted to change your vote multiple times because you thought JR would have one. Remember during the JR vote how you whispered 2-3 minutes before the votes were locked about how you wanted to switch to Leslie because you had a bad feeling about the idol? I never did things like this. Never once did I talk about how I think someone has an idol. In fact, I remember countless times I straight up said to you "I don't think there are any idols in this game". And there really weren't if you think about it. I never intended to use them unless it was an absolute emergency. We were never in that sort of threatening position. These idols were pretty much going to be used to reveal at the finale unless I absolutely had to use them, which I never did.
Second, I don't understand why you would think I was entitled to anything. I constantly told you that I worked hard to get where I was. I never once said that I was for sure going to win something or that it belonged to me. You told me multiple times "pssh you're gonna win", "as if you'd lose this challenge", "you're obviously gonna win again tomorrow". Where does all this animosity come from all of a sudden? I was never arrogant with you and it's actually really hurtful to hear you speak like this when we've had such a great relationship.
I did truly believe in our relationship until the F3. I didn't want to believe in a F2 but I did have Xander as my F2 contingency. I was real with you and told you that I would consider dropping out and letting you and Xander go to the finale if this would affect our relationships post game. You said just like you're claiming now, you would never let me do that. Why berate me for it now? I said it to you out in the open because I hoped you had the same feelings for me that I did for you two, and obviously not because there was this whole HH alliance I had no idea existed.
And finally, the fact you think my anxiety/paranoia was fake after the countless conversations we had where I had to stop YOU from quitting the game because of what you were going through IRL is smarmy. We started calling the Stoner alliance the Spiral Stoners specifically because me and you would regularly spiral from our anxiety and have to pick each other up when they're down. You talked so many times about how the jury would be extremely bitter but now you're acting like the most bitter juror of all when we had such an amazing relationship all throughout the game. I mentioned multiple times in my confessional and to you personally that I would continue to work with you and go to F3 despite possibly losing to you. You cannot blame me when we find out this game ends with a F2 and I had no obligation to take you to the FTC. I wouldn't be acting the same way towards you had you taken Xander and not me if you had the option. I'm really disappointed with your questions for me and I thought our relationship went beyond the game, but now i'm not sure. You even told me before I voted you out that you wouldn't give me your jury vote despite playing the better game than Xander.
Every relationship I made was honest and with genuine emotion. I talked to Jaime before she left and told her I felt bad about our tribe making fun of them when they lost. I used to send thread links to Shan when she was holding her kid in the evenings and her husband was away just to make her life easier. I talked to you countless times when you were feeling down about real life and talked you through your moments of wanting to quit or thinking your game was over. I did so much with my heart involved and it might have been wrong to do so in a game of manipulation, but I played like the person I truly am. It's tough to separate relationships and game, but I had to do it, and I hope you can too.
I'm really not sure what you wanted from me with these questions and if you have to question what we had like this, I don't want it. I truly valued everything we built together on the same level as Xander, but it seems you don't feel the same way. I'm sorry you think I hurt you but I had no intentions of that and it was never my plan. If I don't win this game, no I don't take it personally. I do however take what you've said personally as you took it there.
Thanks for your questions.
Re: Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:51:30 am
by Xander
Thank you for your questions Evvie!
I am going to ask if I can answer them tomorrow as it has been a long day and I want to match the effort you put into the questions with my answers.
Re: Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:51:47 pm
by Xander
Thank you for the thoughtful questions Evvie
My major goal was to make it here to the end. I did that by fostering relationships with you, Abe and Sara, all three very strong players, to ensure I had options if one of you were to go out. I also felt that I was replaceable in our F3 and had a plan to get out anyone who could take that spot from me(Deshawn and Shan).
But I did my own thing apart from our Alliance post merge. I actively prevented anyone outside of our alliance from organizing enough to get one of us out. I kept JR just close enough for him to think I was working with him, also having Heather think we would work together based on the results of the InCrowd competition.
The biggest move that I wanted to make that failed would definitely be wanting to throw the Sara/Abe vote to rocks. I was confident that I knew where all the votes except for Shan and Leslie were going. Heather had given me hope that Shan would flip and I rolled the dice thinking they would both vote for separate people. Thus making my vote a tie vote. Unfortunately I couldn't make it happen and Sara went home. This forced me to pivot and adapt as I had lost one of my biggest allies in the game. Trust in is complicated and although I did trust you and Abe, I knew how we were playing Deshawn and feared I was also on the receiving end of a facade. Which was why my alliance with Sara was vital.
. I think one could argue my screenshot was a ridiculous move that completely blew up in my face. I was sharing information with Sara and we were debating how to work with JR. Being able to confirm that he told us the same story and seeing how we could exploit that was the goal but that all went up in smoke. Meaning I had to pivot and adapt like a chameleon after the merge.
What would the win mean to me! A win would make me realize the importance of the power of positive thinking and what you can achieve when you are kinder with yourself. I felt alot of shame post merge and tried my best to have a good attitude about it and keep my head high. I would learn from my mistake of sometimes basing my moves in emotion rather than logic. I think I would have an easier shot at winning if I was next to Sara or Leslie. I was a stronger challenge performer than both of them and made a lot more impactful decisions than they did. I think you and I would have a fair shot at winning against one another.
I think Abe brought me here for a multitude of reasons. Certainly the belief that he can beat me being his first one. After reading some of his responses to the other jury members and the way he described his game being obviously better than mine in every way, it does make it feel like loyalty was second or third on his list.
Do I think he has a 100% chance of winning? No, not at all. I think that arrogance is the biggest flaw in his game. I do feel that I have shot at winning because we played parallel games but were stylistically different. I had more obstacles to overcome than he did and I hope that the jury considers that.
I am fighting for as many votes as I can Evvie! Many of the jury members have expressed that they are still undecided and open to having their mind changed. I am hoping that I can express and offer insight into the reasoning behind my choices in a way that will hopefully have them reflect and consider my game for a win.
Re: Evvie's Final Tribal Council Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:55:21 pm
by Evvie
Thank you both for your answers and for taking the time to respond. I'm wishing you both great luck as we pull into the final few hours of this game. Thanks for your companionship throughout this experience as well.