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Hey guys. Sorry I have been MIA yesterday and today. I had my baby shower yesterday and some family stuff came up with my brother and I just really needed to be there for him. 🥰 Your conversations were super helpful.
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Leslie wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:34:59 pm Hey guys. Sorry I have been MIA yesterday and today. I had my baby shower yesterday and some family stuff came up with my brother and I just really needed to be there for him. 🥰 Your conversations were super helpful.
Can’t wait to get out of this game just so I can talk to you one on one again I want to hear how the baby shower went and I want to see pictures of that nursery soo bad so excited for you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Jaime wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:46:04 pm
Leslie wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:34:59 pm Hey guys. Sorry I have been MIA yesterday and today. I had my baby shower yesterday and some family stuff came up with my brother and I just really needed to be there for him. 🥰 Your conversations were super helpful.
Can’t wait to get out of this game just so I can talk to you one on one again I want to hear how the baby shower went and I want to see pictures of that nursery soo bad so excited for you ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you! I cannot wait to talk as well! Honestly, I am just super excited to be able to share photos of Hannah! They all have my name on them, so I can't wait for that! You all are amazing.
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Yeah, lol it is interesting. It is hard, because Abe did so much better in challenges, and Xander, for the most part, did a lot better with jury management and genuine connections with people. At least from my perspective. I am curious to see if they realized that Shan, JR, and I were as close as we were. Just because I am interested in seeing if they noticed. Because I very obviously lied about Erik's vote in order to protect Shan and I am wondering if they picked up on that. I am so glad this was my first ORG. This has been so much fun.
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Shan wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:02:29 pm
Jean-Robert wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:39:20 pm I’m not trying to convince y’all but a quick reminder that Abe won 5 immunities and had 2 idols lol
A quick reminder that that doesn’t make anyone owe him anything. 😘♥️ He might have five immunities and two idols, but if you forget that you’re dealing with nine humans then what have you really accomplished
I can only speak in terms of the facts and my own perspective in relationships with them. Abe gave it to me straight, we were not going to be able to work together, even though we were friendly. Xander on the other hand, also never had intentions of playing this game with me (or the people I was close with, including you Shan) but would act like he was my best friend (especially when Sara left) and that he had my back no matter what. So regarding the way they made me feel as a person, Xander treated me like his side piece and never had good intentions in our conversations, while Abe at least was straight forward with me, as weird as he may have been about it.
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Sorry to add an extra question for you Deshawn. You mentioned there were a few things that didn't add up from your perspective. Could you share where some of those things don't line up with your perception/experience? I am just curious to see where there were differences in the outlook of what happened.
 

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Jean-Robert wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:39:42 pm
Shan wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:02:29 pm
Jean-Robert wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:39:20 pm I’m not trying to convince y’all but a quick reminder that Abe won 5 immunities and had 2 idols lol
A quick reminder that that doesn’t make anyone owe him anything. 😘♥️ He might have five immunities and two idols, but if you forget that you’re dealing with nine humans then what have you really accomplished
I can only speak in terms of the facts and my own perspective in relationships with them. Abe gave it to me straight, we were not going to be able to work together, even though we were friendly. Xander on the other hand, also never had intentions of playing this game with me (or the people I was close with, including you Shan) but would act like he was my best friend (especially when Sara left) and that he had my back no matter what. So regarding the way they made me feel as a person, Xander treated me like his side piece and never had good intentions in our conversations, while Abe at least was straight forward with me, as weird as he may have been about it.
I had the opposite experience 😂 Xander and I never liked each other and we knew it. I had no expectations of him. Abe promised me the moon all game, then lied to me about his vote and didn’t speak a word to me during the voting period. That’s how I knew I was going home lol. 
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Leslie wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:41:52 pm Sorry to add an extra question for you Deshawn. You mentioned there were a few things that didn't add up from your perspective. Could you share where some of those things don't line up with your perception/experience? I am just curious to see where there were differences in the outlook of what happened.
It's a few little things from both VERY early Ancha and then early merge. Night 1, Abe and I made a final 2 deal and agreed that Xander/Evvie would be our foursome. Xander and I made a similar-ish ("getting to the end") stoner deal. Which, looking back, kinda feels like the foundation of what they actually worked with in the game so the concept that they came up with it on day 3 and then pulled me in (and Shan/Sara as all their +1s)  is a little weird because Sara suggested making a final 3 deal with Abe and I on night one and we had already made that other thing official.

And then at the merge, there seems to be a little confusion about how much control Abe had. At the Erik vote, I whispered to you first thing when tribal started and Abe got spooked out by it asking me if the plan was changing and to let him know if "we" were switching the vote because he wanted to be on the right side of the vote. And as far as I know, Abe and Xander were both really into the idea of pagonging Kallpa. It was going to be JR next and then you. Then for the Sara vote, we all know how JR was pushing my name for basically 24 hours and we spent the whole day going through everyone to see which name would stick. So there was no control on the Sara vote. We talked about voting Heather, Shan and you and then once we got people to commit to Sara we went with it. At the Heather vote, Abe was pushing for you to leave and didn't understand why no one wanted to vote you out and I had to really argue against it. What ended up convincing Abe is me claiming that Abe or I were for SURE getting voted out if you tried to vote for you because there was no way we'd get 5 votes on you. Since it was the F8, it was the riskiest in terms of a tie, we agreed that Heather was the "safest" vote.

And for the Shan vote, I might need Evvie to jump in to confirm their actual intentions there because the 2 of us had a conversation about how we didn't want to vote Shan out and we were only doing it for Xander and I feel like the both of us were actually considering not doing it. I know for a fact that I was willing to do something else so had Evvie and I agreed on something, Shan would not have gone home. So that vote I'm not sure about, it just depends on how Evvie was playing it. But for me personally, Abe had no influence on that vote either. 
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Thank you! I am just super interested in if each of them realized their position. While I agree that Abe was in charge of a lot, it seems as though he feels like he was a bit more complete than it really was. But that is also me looking in from the outside. So I was just curious. I feel like Xander realizes that they weren't completely in control of things, and I feel like it is important to acknowledge that other people (especially you and Evvie) were also helping to guide the votes to an extreme extent. Thank you so much for the information from your perspective! :)
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Also, Evvie. I just remembered what day it was when Abe mentionned day 7. I remember you were feeling "like crap" because "stuff was going on" or whatever term you used that day and I didn't push other than telling you you could talk to me if you needed to so I'm sorry if I wasn't more aware or more receptive in making sure you were ok. Thats my bad. 
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He was pretty close with the line up. I think it is funny that he thinks he knew about that before Shan did. I think it's that piece. The fact that he doesn't realize that people he really trusted, like Shan, could lie. He did such a good job considering if one of his close people lied I don't think he realized. So it makes sense that he doesn't realize that he wasn't the sole reason each vote was the way it was. Because everyone would make him feel like he was the most important reason they were making each choice. Super interesting! Good job, Shan hehe. I am happy that was the only way he knew we were close. I also think it's interesting that how he is phrasing each response and making sure he is telling each person how smart they are. Seems like he is really trying to make everyone feel like he saw each of us as super smart and that is interesting. Like it feels like he realized he didn't have great jury management and is trying to get some points through that. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's super interesting. 
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Sorry, question for you guys. Do we know if they are able to talk with each other through IM? Wondering if Xander was being serious or was trying to use it somehow for us.
 

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Leslie wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:36:33 pm Sorry, question for you guys. Do we know if they are able to talk with each other through IM? Wondering if Xander was being serious or was trying to use it somehow for us.
Sorry, to clarify, I mean when he was talking to Abe in Jamie's area. Just curious.
 

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