[Jeff Probst]

This is Jaime's Final Tribal Council Thread.

All other Jurors should remain in their own threads. 

Jaime, you have until Sunday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 2. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 8 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread, keeping follow-ups to a necessary minimum, or congratulatory thank you/nothing further.

[Jaime]

Congrats making it here definitely an accomplishment in and of its self. I don’t have beautiful visuals like Abe so hopefully my words are enough. I wasn’t in the game with either of you as long as I would have liked of course but I did get sometime with you.

Abe and Xander I made a connection with both of you. Abe more than Xander but they both were honest and true (at least on my end) Connection are EXTREMELY important to me 

Abe you took interest in my new work out journey I was on and that meant something to me. you were also one of the only Ancha members that didn’t ice me out just because I was leaving I really respect that. you also told me if things could have been different you would have loved to work with me (that’s when I realized I was going home) I appreciated you honesty with me at least as honest as you could be you earned my respect with that 

Xander we connected with our backgrounds with judaism and our pure love for our moms  you actually taught me some things about Israel that I greatly appreciated but had we talked more you would have known this is my first ORG experience as well I didn’t even know what ORG meant I had to google it . but you didn’t learn that about me instead you decided to ice me out the day I left and that hurt. You can campaign for me I know I wasn’t what you needed to further your game I’m not upset about that I’m upset that you blatantly ignored me just because I was going home when just the day before you had no problem chatting with me

As far as both of your game play Abe I am extremely impressed you have made it to the end considering how you DOMINATED in these challenges. You would finish the challenge before I even finished understanding the directions. I cannot believe none of your Allies turned on you. So your social game was clearly ON POINT along with your competitive game. And the fact you sat on 2 idols and never felt like you needed to use it blows my mind. You should have been a target from day one and you never felt like your peers were lying to you because had you felt like they were lying and about to turn on you you would have played those idols I am really impressed. 

Xander from my perspective you haven’t done anything but just be a loyal lackey to your buddies after hearing what you had to say i will say I did like how you played. It wasn’t flashy but it was definitely well thought out. If what your saying is true about planting seed with JR about how Deshawn was a bigger threat and would hinder Abe’s game I applaud that move. But I don’t know if that one move will get you my vote so that leads me to my questions 

Xander- why didn’t you ever blindside Abe? It is very clear that you stand a very slim chance of beating him. I understand that turning on him could decrease your odds in getting to the final two but the game is  only $100 we’re playing for fun and it was your first one there will be more why not take a chance and possibly get to a final two where you stand a chance, I just don’t understand why you didn’t so just please explain why didn’t you ever turn on him? For an example Evvie explain to us that it was because she wanted to play a loyal game, and in hindsight, she realizes that that was the wrong move. I would love to hear what you have to say…… I do have one other question for you as well because you say if we are voting based off of social and strategic (which I am ) I should vote for you but here’s where the problem with that lies you iced me out you were social with me one minute then the day of me leaving you ignored me you wouldn’t return my messages yet you were playing a social game maybe you didn’t think I would be here well boo I’m here and you pissed me off because why should I vote for you socially if weren’t very social with me  other question is SOCIALLY WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR YOU? because from my perspective you were only social with those who you were working with everyone else can just go fuck themselves right? 

Abe- what made you confident enough to never use an idol. You claimed at tribals you felt like you were at risk for going home(was that true or an act) because since you never used an idol. It makes me believe it was an act. What made you so confident that your alliance were not about to turn on you? I am very curious about your social game so please expand on your social game for me



Congrats on making it this far good luck to you both

[Xander]

Thank you for your question Jaime 

Abes visuals are amazing, right!! Its hard to compete with that. The organization makes me feel zen. 

First, I would like to acknowledge and own my behavior the day you were voted out. I should have been more empathetic in those last moments and honored the relationship we did form in that short time. I can imagine it will still be hard to accept an apology as being sincere at this stage in the game but I genuinely am sorry Jaime. I am happy to hear how Abe spoke to you honestly and sympathetically the day you were going home and it hurts my heart that I was not the same with you.

I would hope to share where my head was at during that point in the game. I had just sent the screenshot and pulled back from playing the game for a few days cause I felt embarrassed and doomed. I don't remember the day you left in great detail but I would say I was trying to avoid any sort of “gameplay” fearing it would get back to the other Anchas and it would be another easy reason to vote me out. But i still could have put in the effort and found ways to avoid game talk and still speak to you personally. 

I appreciate your compliments about my game and the way you described it as not being flashy. I too also had to google what an ORG was!! But I acknowledge that  you're right about Evvie and I having so many opportunities to get rid of Abe that we no doubt should have taken. I think had I voted Abe out earlier or beat him in the final immunity I’d stand a better shot at winning right now. Strategically, yes it is my biggest blunder. But this is a game of deceit, which I have found to be surprisingly not as easy as I had thought. 

I think the reason I never could vote him out was that, similar to you, I value connection. I have a truly awesome connection with Abe and although we are competing right now, I know that our friendship will transcend the game. The money never factored into my desire to make it to the end. The experience was always the part that I truly wanted and I had really been enjoying sharing that with Abe. Logically, yes i should have taken my chances but emotionally it was hard to do so. 

I do want you to know that if the impact that I leave on your life  is making you feel closer to your Judiac roots or even piquing your curiosity then I am happy.

[Abraham]

Hey Jaime!

Great question and I'm glad I get to explain this some more. I spent a lot of time online in this game. You may have noticed even from the jury that I was consistently listed as online. I did my best to make myself available so that from the beginning I would be able to build relationships and continue to strengthen them every single day. You mentioned that we had a genuine connection with each other, and I did try my best to do that with everyone in the game.

Since I did work extremely hard on building relationships, I wanted to foster a commitment with each person where I would hear if I was actually going to leave the game. I had made it a point to be on the level with each player where if I just straight up asked if I was going home / getting voted for by them, that they would be straight up and tell me as such. It's just like when Deshawn asked Evvie if he was going home in whispers 2 minutes before he did. She didn't tell him the truth. But when I did the same whisper to Evvie the night I was vulnerable at F5, she was honest and told me I was safe, despite thinking idols were still in play. I was the only one who knew idols were only good until F6.

I never actually felt like I was going home, but used the anxiousness of the idea that I could possibly go home with two idols to know if my back was against the wall, and then use my idols when no one thought of their existence.

I hope that makes sense but I'm happy to provide any other examples, context, etc. if it helps your decision!

[Jaime]

Abe, I just wanna make sure I’m understanding you correctly you’re saying that you used your anxiousness as a way for people to know that your back was up against the wall and using the cues that they gave off in order if you should play your idol or not and since no one gave you any indication that you were going home you decided not to play these idols….

how did you not know if these people were just really good liars or actually telling the truth!!! . Obviously your gut was right and you were actually safe but for me as a high anxious person. I don’t see myself sitting being able to sit on not just one but two idols when I know I’m the biggest threat in the game. I’m just having a hard time buying this… the math is not mathing 

I just need to know was the anxiety real or was it an act if it was all an act that is fine I respect game plan any day of the week but you can’t sit here and say your an anxious person and sit on two idols that just doesn’t sit right with me 

other than that all my questions have been answered and I thank you for your time

GOOD LUCK

[Abraham]

Jaime, I am really a super anxious person. The thing about idols is, they're useless if I just use them on myself and then sit without them hoping people don't vote for me. You saw how big of a target I was the entire game. If I used those idols on myself when I didn't need to or if I revealed those idols, I would have been a bigger threat to go than all of the Kallpa members combined. I had no choice but to anxiously hold those idols and expect to go out holding them. They were pretty much useless as no one else had them and me having both was just going to give everyone more reason to get rid of me. I would have been a ticking time bomb more than I already was. The only times I planned to use the idols, I ended up winning immunity. The first maze challenge and the night Shan was thinking of voting for me with JR and Leslie.

As to how I knew people were telling the truth, I had some extremely deep connections with people. Everyone thought that I was either their F2 or at least an extremely close ally. If I was asking someone to be honest and tell me if I was going home, they were going to tell me the truth. I was very good at reading everyone and could tell as soon as something was off. I always knew where everyone's head was at and where the votes were going to go. This was also how I pegged Deshawn and Xander for their stray Leslie votes when we had a simple plan to follow. Deshawn showed so many times his emotions for you (Jaime) and tried so hard to switch the vote to JR. I knew if there was a stray vote, it would be him based on our conversations, and I was right. Same for Xander, I knew he was having an extremely tough time voting for Sara. It was one of the few nights he didn't just talk real life with me and was strictly game talk or switching the vote to Shan.

I worked extremely hard to foster relationships that I think is sometimes overlooked. Yes I found idols and won challenges, but I really wouldn't be here at the end without the relationships I made for the times my shiny hunks of wood didn't work.

[Jaime]

Jaime, I am really a super anxious person. The thing about idols is, they're useless if I just use them on myself and then sit without them hoping people don't vote for me. You saw how big of a target I was the entire game. If I used those idols on myself when I didn't need to or if I revealed those idols, I would have been a bigger threat to go than all of the Kallpa members combined. I had no choice but to anxiously hold those idols and expect to go out holding them. They were pretty much useless as no one else had them and me having both was just going to give everyone more reason to get rid of me. I would have been a ticking time bomb more than I already was. The only times I planned to use the idols, I ended up winning immunity. The first maze challenge and the night Shan was thinking of voting for me with JR and Leslie.

As to how I knew people were telling the truth, I had some extremely deep connections with people. Everyone thought that I was either their F2 or at least an extremely close ally. If I was asking someone to be honest and tell me if I was going home, they were going to tell me the truth. I was very good at reading everyone and could tell as soon as something was off. I always knew where everyone's head was at and where the votes were going to go. This was also how I pegged Deshawn and Xander for their stray Leslie votes when we had a simple plan to follow. Deshawn showed so many times his emotions for you (Jaime) and tried so hard to switch the vote to JR. I knew if there was a stray vote, it would be him based on our conversations, and I was right. Same for Xander, I knew he was having an extremely tough time voting for Sara. It was one of the few nights he didn't just talk real life with me and was strictly game talk or switching the vote to Shan.

I worked extremely hard to foster relationships that I think is sometimes overlooked. Yes I found idols and won challenges, but I really wouldn't be here at the end without the relationships I made for the times my shiny hunks of wood didn't work.

Now this answer felt right no further questions for either one of you again great game and good luck

[Xander]

It hurts to hear you talk about how you collected "deep relationships" Abe. It makes me wonder how easy it would have been to cut me like you did the others that thought they were in a F2 with you. 

 

[Abraham]

Come on dawg, you know how much deeper our relationship goes compared to everyone else lol. You're here at the end with me, aren't ya?

[Jaime]

Come on dawg, you know how much deeper our relationship goes compared to everyone else lol. You're here at the end with me, aren't ya?

Your really gonna sit here and act like your deep connection with him is why he is here with you at the end

Xander is right you would have cut him if it would have benefited your game im sure it would have hurt but you would have done it but it didn’t benefit your game to do that so you didn’t 

I do believe you two have an honest deep connection but I truly believe Xander was way more loyal to you then you were to him he is here because you feel you can beat him it’s a game i get that but don’t act like it’s something it’s not

unless you were so confident in your game you felt you can win sitting next to anyone but I doubt that’s how you feel or else you wouldn’t have wanted JR out so bad just some food for thought 

[Abraham]

I do believe I played a game that would give me good chances with a variety of people, but you're right, Xander was the best chance I had of winning. But we did truly have a deep connection that goes beyond this game and you'll see as such in my confessionals post game. He really was my day 1 alliance and I even said multiple times in a F3 scenario, it's possible I would have lost to Evvie but still brought her to the end with me regardless. I was true to my word with Xander and Evvie until F3. It was really just a bonus that my game outshines Xander.